Period 5 -- Critical Analysis #16

3/20/2017

Today you will be writing about artist William Wegman, best known for his photographs of his Weimaraner dogs.

Fist, navigate HERE to watch a short video interview with Wegman.

For your Critical Analysis, you will be writing a 4 paragraph (5 sentence minimum) response to the VIDEO.

Here are some things to consider as you write:

What kind of photographs does Wegman make? What camera/equipment is he known for using?
Consider your own experience as a photographer. What are some obstacles that might be associated with photographing animals?
What does Wegman say are some things that influence his work?
What does Wegman compare his video pieces to?
What does Wegman say about what kind of equipment you should work with?
Do you like or dislike William Wegman's work? Why?

Click HERE to view a selection of Wegman's photographs.

Nick Perez

3/20/2017 08:54:23 am

William Wegman is a rather interesting and fantastic photographer who worked on making unique, eye catching photos and videos of his dogs. These pictures catch ones eye for a number of reasons. First, the dogs are a stunning subject. They are beautiful, powerful, and captivating. The dogs command your attention in each photograph that is taken. Second, Wegman tends to use unique scenes. These scenes are always captivating and thought provoking. Legman enjoys dressing the dogs up and making them have human roles. He also tends to use unique compositional elements when he photographs the dogs, thus making the image even more eye catching. Wegman is also known to use a unique camera.

Wegman used to use a very unique and rare polaroid. This polaroid is one of a very small number in the world. It is expensive to take photos with it, so you must be precise in order to save costs. Furthermore, the image that comes out of the polaroid is unique. It produces no negative thus it is unique; one of one in the entire world. The knowledge of the expenses associated with this unique polaroid makes it even more impressive that Wegman decided to photograph dogs.

Wegman photographs a highly volatile subject. As many of us have experienced, dogs are subject to quick movements at whatever the whims of their hearts desires are. This movement means that in order for Wegman to successfully take photographs, he must be working at a high shutter speed, or his dogs must be trained very well so that they don't move excessively and cause problems. The dogs are a very impressive subject matter for those exact reasons. Wegman's work, as a whole, is very intriguing.

Wegman works with a captivating subject matter, and takes beautiful pictures. Everyone can relate to a cute dog. For this reason, I would say that Wegman's work is work that can be appreciated by a diverse group of people. Furthermore, the images are visually striking. I very much enjoy Wegmans work and I think that it is very impressive. William Wegman is an impressive photographer who makes very unique work that is captivating not only to those of knowledgable repute in the world of art, but also to the general viewer.

Will Carsten link

3/20/2017 11:47:08 am

William Wegman was a very interesting photographer. He used the Polaroid 20x24 till 2007. All of the photos he makes are weird yet interesting. He preferred to use a 9x12 camera because he wanted to make sure his images were magazine size. His photographs began with videos, then he moved into surreal images using his dogs.
If I was a photographer, I would find it difficult to photograph animals. I would struggle in keeping them in control, and staying absolutely still. But, if I had time to train the animals, they would be quite outstanding to work with. People love animals, so I feel my work would sell very well if I can provide quality photos of the animals. William Legman proves my point.
I enjoy Wegman's work due to the fact I enjoy surrealism. He began using his dogs in images, doing human things. This made me start liking his photos a lot. His dogs are gorgeous, so that could draw attention to dog people to like his work. His work also shows power, with his ability to command the dogs to stay still is astounding.
His dogs simply make his photos brilliant. The sheer concentration and patience to take these photos is great. The camera in which he uses is giant, so when he has to control his dogs to stay still on the table or stool is amazing. Overall, William is a great photographer and I like his imagery a lot.

Mary Warder link

3/20/2017 11:47:18 am

William Wegman is an American photographer known for shooting images and videos of his weimeraner dogs. He picked up photographing his dogs since they were puppies, and he continued this project until his dogs passed. When shooting his videos, Wegman used an reel-to-reel camera and a monitor. For a good portion of his career, the photographs of his dogs were taken on a 20x24 polaroid, and before that he preferred nothing larger than the size of a magazine (8.5x11 and 9x12.) The videos Wegman shot were comical, and the photographs he took were both comical and weird/strange. He shot many of his images in black and white then eventually moved to color.
Wegman said that instead of photographers, as most likely expected, he was inspired by comedians and writers as he was shooting images and videos of his dogs. The comedians inspired him to make his videos and images humorous, while the writer he was inspired by, Borges, wrote about “the idea of circular time.” From my own experience in photographing, I believe shooting with any type of live animal would be extremely difficult. Wegman had to get his dogs in perfect position and also manage to keep them still. Wegman most likely had to learn to not set high expectations for his dogs and what he wanted them to do, instead he probably had to learn to see what his dogs did naturally and work with that.
Wegman says that he believes he/you should work with whatever equipment is meant for your time. I respect this statement very much because even though Wegman worked with a polaroid camera for the majority of his career, he still appreciates and uses the more modern cameras of today. He says his work was scary, but also liberating. He introduced a new concept of strange images such as a dog with human hands and dogs doing human actions. Wegman also had a unique style of making his videos short, as if they were ads or commercials on TV. He introduced his own style to the world, and it shows off his creativity.
I love Wegman’s work because it is so easy to appreciate the hard work he put into it and the determination he had to obtain. Working with an animal is probably extremely difficult, yet Wegman managed to pull it off for the good majority of his career. I love the composition of his images, and the videos are hard not to love because of how human-like his dogs act. He brought in a new concept of work that many people were not used to, and he still managed to make it work and pull off the slightly creepy and different images/videos. I believe Wegman’s work will be iconic for a long time due to his creative use of living, breathing, hard to manage subjects.

Eric Hammond

3/20/2017 11:48:43 am

William Wegman makes photographs of his 2 dogs. He primarily shot with a 20x 24 Polaroid camera. He originally used a 35 millimeter camera. He prints them off in 8.5x 11 or an 9x 12. He did this so he could put his photos in the magazine.

Im sure there are a lot of obstacles when photographing animals. Keeping the animal still for long enough to take the photo is probably the hardest obstacle. The best way to get around this is using a faster shuter speed. Wegman claims that he was influenced my comedians. Wegman also makes videos of his dogs.

Those videos are normally around 30 seconds. They are also normally funny and entertaining. Wegman's dogs were probably trained well to stay still and to do what Wegman tells them to. William says to stay with whats popular at the time. Thats why he changed what he shoots with over time.

William Probably shoots with a digital camera right now because thats whats in. I like his work because of his perspective on it. I like how he uses comedy. He has a big imagination to be able to think of some of the things he did. William photographed his dogs life from when they were baby to when they died.

samantha dickie link

3/20/2017 11:48:52 am

William Wegmen was a quite interesting photographer. To me, he seemed to make surreal images that are odd to look at, and made them popular. Wegmen while creating surreal photos also made videos which again capture the surrealness of dogs acting as humans. Many of his photographs and videos are very hard to shoot, considering the use of animals which draws me to like them more. The images and videos catch my eyes for many reasons.

One of the reasons I am drawn to Wegmens work is because of its surrealism. He always makes works of art which are thought provoking and beautiful. These works of art are beautiful because they take human activities or human clothing and morph them into how a dog would use them. They are beautiful because they manage to proclaim a stillness which is remarkable considering the animals used. They are thought provoking because they twist your mind to the abstraction.

I also am drawn to his work because of his use of live animals. Taking pictures and videos of dogs and having them cooperate is astounding. It seems to me that the works of art draw the dogs closer to Wegmen and vice versa. The use of control Wegmen has for the dogs is both beautiful and moving. The relationship between the dog and owner is a beautiful and rare one at that.

Overall, Wegmen's use of his polaroid to capture the uniqueness of the dogs is amazing. The human clothes add something to his works as well. Anyone can take a decent, professional picture of his or her dog but to have the dog cooperate with you and wear human clothes or be put in an awkward position is amazing. I think that Wegmen does a great job of capturing the stillness and beauty of the dogs. Lastly, the relationship between the dogs and Wegmen is one that i am jealous of and drawn to, honestly it' just adorable.

Allison Dickie link

3/20/2017 06:39:00 pm

William Wegman started his career as painter, but soon changed his specialty to photography. He is known for take pictures of his Weimaraner dogs. Wegman has done almost anything you can do with a dog from taking natural pictures to dressing the creatures up. He has also captured images of the animals close up and from far away. I believe Wegman gained a deep understanding of the animals from filming them in all these different scenarios.

At, first Wegman used a 35mm polaroid camera to shoot the dogs during their entire life and preferred to print at no larger than 8.5 by 11, which is the general size magazines are printed. The only acception to this is printing rule is when Wegman was invited to use a 20 by 24 polaroid camera to shoot images of his two dogs. He used only these cameras to capture images of the dogs. However, he now uses digital cameras because the cost of polaroid film has increased tremendously since polaroid has gone out of business. I believe that using only two cameras to capture all of the images of the dogs was pure genius because it gives a home to the project.

I myself, just as any other photographer would, applaud Wegman for have the courage to pursue such a hard and lofty project. Because the animals are free spirited and do not live by the rules of humans, they are prone to wander and move when they aren't supposed to, this is only one of the aspects of the project that is challenging. Another challenging aspect would be the theme of the whole project, while most people don’t find dogs the most appealing creatures to see photographs of, Wegman finds different ways in each photograph to draw the eye. Wegman must also have a good and trusting relationship with the dogs to get them to cooperate in the different ways that he attempted. For example, he positioned the dogs in such uncomfortable positions along with very uncomfortable outfits put on them.

I do appreciate and enjoy looking at the work of Wegman because of the variety of his work and his relationship with the animals. Wegman creates a completely unrealistic world in which dogs wear human clothes, and then creates another simple and elegant one where two beautiful dogs are looking at you. He did all this while also having a great relationship with his dogs, which is an even greater feat. Because Wegman gave us both the simple and elegant version of the dog along with the dressed up one, I believe any of his next work will bring out another more surprising form of the creature. Overall, I believe Wegman should be both respected and praised for this life long project.

Robert McAllen link

3/20/2017 08:18:45 pm

William Wegman is an American photographer that has worked from the 1960's to the present. He mostly made portraits of his dogs, and he used 20X24 Polaroid camera to take the photographs. He mostly printed the photographs in 8.5X11 or in 9X12. The main why he printed them in those sizes was because he wanted them to fit in magazines or other papers/ issues.

The first thing that comes to mind when I think of obstacles that animal photographers face is the time consuming task of trying to keep the dog or animal still during the shoot. In some of Wegman's videos or photographs the dogs are wearing clothing or paper, so I can imagine how hard it was to keep the paper on the dog. I could also see how hard it was to fit the dogs into the clothing.

William Wagner says that the kind of equipment that you should work with is the equipment that is meant foe your time. I like this statement because throughout Wegman's career he has had to switch between camera after camera after camera, and he eventually had to switch from film to digital. It's nice to see how he embraced this lesson he learned into his job as a photographer.

I enjoy Wegman's work because it's very unique and unusual to see in the world photography. It's not every day that you see a picture of a dog covered in red paper, and it's not just that he also uses a interesting set of colors to each picture that help it have a vibrant side. His videos are also enjoyable because it always has a funny side to it.

Bailey Dietzmann

3/20/2017 08:27:41 pm

Wegman primarily took photographs of his dogs, but some of his photographs are of various objects. He pictured his Weimaraner dogs from when they were puppies, to when they passed away. Wegman took his famous photographs with a 2x24 polaroid. Some of the obstacles that he could've faced with taking pictures of his dogs could be that they move and they don’t cooperate. The animals could also jump at the camera or ruin the set by running around in it.

I believe that it was especially hard for Wegman to photograph his dogs because dogs aren't people. Dogs can’t follow instructions as well as humans can. Some of the things that influenced Wegman’s photography were comedians and a writer. The comedians were Bob and Ray and the writer was Borges. He claims that the writer helped him because of Borges’s idea of circular time and how to get in and out of something.

Wegman suggests to use equipment that’s relevant to your time. I agree with him because as technology advances, so do the outcomes of these advances. As cameras increase the quality of lenses and functions, the photographs become equivalently advanced as well. However, I do have some mixed feelings about the artwork itself.

I like and dislike Wegman’s photographs. I like them because they are one of a kind. Nobody else has random and strange pictures of dogs doing abnormal things. These photographs gain a lot of attention from their strange appearances. I dislike the photographs because they are completely unrealistic and I don't really like the fact that dogs are going through hard days of work. Work is for humans. Dogs are there to love their owners and to live a relaxing life, and I don't necessarily like the idea that his dogs had to do human activities.

Kristina Samuel

3/20/2017 08:30:06 pm

Wegman is well known for making interesting and unique photographs of his dogs. They are either dressed unusually or appear in weird situations. Some examples include his dogs with human hands, or wrapped in foil. He also used 20x24 polaroid camera to capture his photographs. However, he would not print his photographs larger than 8.5x11 or 9x11 because he wanted to keep the distribution of his work to only magazines.

I think that Wegman’s work should be greatly appreciated not only for its artistic success but for the amount of work put into shooting his photographs especially with the usage of animals as the main subject. From my experience in photography and knowing how challenging photographing animals can be, I can give him my ultimate respect. Animals are fidgety, hard to work with, and can’t necessarily follow orders. Putting animals in the correct position, whilst correlating with the light and having them in the position long enough to snap the picture is difficult. To produce the art that he does while managing these animals is a feat that not many photographers can achieve.

I greatly enjoy William Wegman’s work due to his ability to produce originality from a simple subject such as a dog. To be successful at creating so many different pieces based on this same subject is astounding to me. His specific equipment and technique makes his work fascinating intrigues me . Also, the love of a household pet captures the attention of a wide audience, whether they are art critics or the mainstream media. Appealing to such a variety of people makes his photographs successful and favorable to me as well.

Wegman’s influences and background are interesting as they analyze as to how he created his work and started his project. He actually started his career as a painter. Some influences included were Bruce Nauman, Allen Ruppersberg, and Ed Ruscha. He also was inspired by the satire of comedians in the 60s. This idea shown through his work through the outfits and scenarios that he photographed his dogs in. His influences shaped him to tell the unusual and satirical stories that he expresses through animals. The progression of his career as an artist from painting through photographer molded him into the creator he is today. Honestly, I think famous pieces would not be the same without it his external influences from society and his commentary on pop culture through his unique outlet.

Sebastian Sotomayor

3/20/2017 09:31:39 pm

Wegmen began working with cameras when he made quick, short videos. Later on, he began to shoot images with a 2 ¼ camera made to be printed in magazines so that his work could be distributed really easily. It wasn’t until he got invited to try out the newer. Larger 20 by 24 polaroid camera that he began to print large images. Since this camera was so large, Wegmen also needed some sort of platform for his subjects (primarily his dogs) to lay on so that the camera was aligned properly.

I can tell you from experience that photographing animals is a very difficult. Animals, such as dogs, are constantly moving and it’s very hard to communicate with them (since they can’t speak or understand English or any other human language). This results in the human trying to train the animal to do a certain task in order to get the proper picture; and as one knows, that is very difficult to do. But from experience, I can tell you that it seems worthwhile to put a lot of effort into photographing animals. It is a challenge that is really rewarding to accomplish. Although it is difficult and sometimes frustrating,it is very fun and rewarding to work with animals. The final result can be something really rewarding and unexpected due to animals’ very natural and sudden behaviors.

Wegmen mentions that comedians influenced and helped out with his videos. He also says that Borges, a writer, and his ideas on circular time influenced his work. Wegmen later compares his video pieces to thirty second/minute-long television advertisements. This helped the videos have a structure of clear beginning and end in an easy-to-view format. As time passed and Polaroid was slowly becoming less popular, Wegmen tells us that we should work with the tools we have available to us in our day and age. He worked really well with the polaroid camera and the tools available in his era and recommends we do the same with ours.

I really like Wegmen’s photographs. He is one of my favorite photographers we have studied in this class. I mean, who can resist the cuteness of those dog images? The hard work he put into this images is apparent and is appreciated in his images. He has very creative compositions that use his dogs to create amazing images (look at the colors of On Edge or the composition of Cursive Display). The images portray the dogs in a variety of situation to create amazing images. Anyway, I really liked his work!

Tamyka Menaa

3/21/2017 09:37:13 am

Wegman photographs Weimaraner dogs in different scenarios. He uses a 20x24 polaroid to shoot the dogs. He never printed photos larger than magazines. As a photographer, shooting humans is actually quite simple because they listen to you when you give orders. It can be difficult with dogs because they have such short attention spans.

Wegman claimed to not be inspired by fellow photographers, but by comedians. He also happened to be inspired by a writer who's name was Borges. He was inspired by Borges because of his idea of circular time. In my opinion, the Weimaraner dogs were also a huge inspiration to him. I think he really wanted to capture their beauty and show it to the world.

Wegman compares his videos to thirty second/ minute-long tv advertisements. He says that we should work with the tools that are available to us. In his time, he used a Polaroid because it was a tool available to him. I can sympathize to what hes saying. I have a DSLR available to me, therefore, I use it to shoot my work.

I quite like his photographs. His use of dogs dressed as humans is funny and original. I also think its unique how he gains inspiration from comedians and not fellow photographers. Wegmans use of vibrant colors really captures your eyes. Overall, this was a pleasure critiquing these pictures.

Montserrat Martinez

3/21/2017 10:17:57 am

William Wegman is a notorious photographer best known for making photographs of his Weimaraner dogs. According to the video above, Wegman used a 30mm film camera, or 24x25mm, to be more specific. He also explains that he would much rather print in smaller proportions because he has been wanting his work to be better known. So, Wegman would hesitate from printing anything larger than 9x12 inches, or the average magazine size, hoping to have his work exposed through these kinds of media. His most praised works are those of his Weimaraner dogs.

In my experience as a photographer, I would have thought it hard to be able to successfully photograph live animals for a variety of reasons. Many of which eventually originate from the lack of self-consciousness that animals show. Dogs, cats and such, have little to no control over many of their actions because these animals rely mostly on their evolving instincts for survival. These can trigger the dog to randomly move and ruin a perfect shot, especially because subjects for photographs have to be very sill. Dogs struggle with that.

Amusingly, Wegman states on the video that many of his sources of inspiration weren't photographers or painters like himself. Some of his influences were comedians Bob and Ray, (sometimes hilarious) and writer Borges. Borges specialized on philosophy and was a key figure in Spanish language literature. I think these facts are really interesting. I feel as though this might create an illusion of and sort of foreshadowing about his own work. It makes wonder if he believes that his work has a theme similar to those of his influences?

Overall I like his photography. On the gallery link given to us, I was able to look at more of his work. I truly admire the way he is able able to beautifully photograph dogs and make it look easy. His usage of value and colors contrasting with the dog’s skin is admirable. I'm surprised I didn't know about Wegman’s work

Hannah Lashway

3/21/2017 04:14:11 pm

William Wegman is an American photographer, and former painter who is well known for his photographs of his Weimaraner dogs. The photos of his dogs range from surreal to comedic.THough originally a painter, he switched to making photographs and videos in the seventies. His initial photographs were shot on no larger than 9X12 because they were primarily used in magazines or books and not for full wall display. Since the dogs debut in the 70’s and 80’s, their photographs have never seemed to let down and have maintained their originality throughout the years.

As mentioned earlier, Wegman initially refused to work with any camera larger than 9X12 in an effort to keep his photographs at a size which appealed in magazines and books. Along with this he also shot his dogs in black and white. Later in his career he was offered numerous times to work with Polaroid’s 20X24 camera.During the time he used this camera he began to integrate color photographs into his work. He initially refused but eventually accepted this invite and shot the majority of his photographs on this camera until 2007 when the price for one shot was raised to $300. The price was raised after Polaroid went bankrupt.

Wegman has cited writer Jorge Borges as an inspiration because of his idea of ‘circular time’ which talks about the going in and leaving something. Another noted inspiration for Wegman were comedians Bob and Ray. Regarding the filming of his videos, Wegman stated that he never used a full reel of film. He thought of his videos like an ad you would see on TV; short and to the point. When going to film a video, Wegman came in with a structure of what he wanted with a beginning, middle, and end; rather than just filming without a plan and without any real thought.

I like Wegman’s photographs; especially the black and white photographs of his dogs. I find those photos to be very surreal because of the contrast between the dogs’ eyes and their fur. I think taking photographs of the dogs, or any dogs, is very difficult because you cannot fully control, direct or communicate with the dog like you would a human. Dogs must be initially trained to sit still for decent periods of time. They must also be positioned, then photographed, then re-positioned. As they do not understand humans, they cannot reposition themselves to a particular pose requested of the photographer making working with dogs, and animals in particular very difficult.

Yara Akhrass link

3/21/2017 10:36:53 pm

Wegman preferably shot with 8.5x11 and 9x12 because he wanted his photographs to be printed into magazines. Wegman also uses a 35 mil camera. His friend wanted him to use a 20x24 polaroid camera which he denied at first. He decided to come to visit her and he ended up making lots of photographs with the 20x24 polaroid camera. When polaroid became bankrupt however he still used it even though the price of them increased.

When it comes to photographing animals, it is much more difficult to get them to cooperate because they don't really understand what they are doing. Some of the struggles he probably has to deal with are that the animals are always moving and fidgeting around. Another struggle Wegman dealt with would be the heaviness of the dog's weight. Wegman, a lot of the times improvised with his photographs like his famous one where he had his dog painted a finger red. Based off of his work, he isn't one to plan much of his photographs out which is probably why they're so successful.

As we previously did a project on ideas of surrealism I believe that Wegman's photographs perfectly fit the idea of surrealism. In everyday life you don't see a dog doing poses and actions which is what makes his photographs so entertaining to look at. I really enjoy Wegman's idea of creativity while creating and how spontaneous he gets when it comes to making photographs.

Overall, I really enjoyed Wegman's photographs because it documents his love for dogs. His variety of photographs show how much he loves his two dogs yet can show them in many different ways. I also admire the amount of patience he has when shooting photographs of his dogs because it's probably difficult to keep them in position while taking pictures. I believe he is a very successful photographer and I really like his photographs.

Rylin McArthur

3/28/2017 05:20:26 pm

William Wegman is a photographer who decided to do something a little different from typical photographers and photograph his dogs. In his photographs, his Weimaraner dogs are usually involved in some strange activities dogs aren't typically involved in, such as getting their nails painted. In most of the photographs the dogs look uncomfortable and anxious which also makes the photograph draw your attention. These photographs can also be know as surreal photographs because of the strange but beautiful occurrences. Legman shot these photographs of his dogs from when they were little all the way to when they died.

The camera Wegman is known for using is a 20 by 24 polaroid. Legman wanted his photographs to be strong in magazines, not on walls. In oder to make this happen, the photographs weren't larger than 8.5 by 11. Wegman claims that the comedians Bob and Ray influenced his work. He explained that they specifically helped with his videos, but he also often thought of them after he has completed his video.

One of the obstacles associated with photographing animals is the struggle to try and get them to sit or stand wherever you want them to. The animal(s) may not be comfortable in that specific location or position so they may just not cooperate or freak out and possibly ruin the camera. Another obstacle that comes along with photographing animals is the possibility that they might try to eat or play with the props you're trying to pair them with. Wegman compares his video pieces to short TV commercials or advertisements. I think he compares these two things because they both are meant to draw your attention for a purpose, whether it be to offer something your selling or to just show the surrealism involved with your dogs and everyday life.

I like Wegman's work because the photographs are very surreal and odd to look at, which make them very interesting to observe. I also like the fact that the dogs he photographs are his, which makes it easier to display whatever idea or emotion we from the dog photographs. You can also see a special bond between the dogs when they're in photographs together because they're constantly around each other. At the same time I don't really like Wegman's work because I feel bad for dogs. They shouldn't be forced to take pictures, especially if they are feeling uncomfortable.

Poni Bryan

4/16/2017 10:32:38 pm

William Wegman is a photographer known for his unique and interesting photographs of his dogs. Wegman is known for using a 35 millimeter camera and a 20x24 Polaroid to photograph his dogs with. Wegman is also known for creating short films, a minute to thirty seconds, of his dogs. The images Wegman takes are of his dogs acting as humans. Wegman started his career using black and white, but eventually evolved into color. Wegman uses normal everyday object for photos of his god or he dresses them in particular articles.
People, such as other artist, influenced Wegman's work. Wegman states that certain comedians fueled his ideas for his short films. Wegman also claimed that his work depended on the era he was in or what other artist during his time were doing. His photos were taken with a large Polaroid. This particular camera was tall so Wegman would put his dogs on stools to portray them as humans.
An obstacle an artist could face while photographing dogs cold be how they react to the camera. If you're using flash photography, the dog could be scared of the flash. Dogs could also be bothered with the idea of sitting still for a photo.
Themes behind Wegman's work could be simple humor or just another message behind how dogs are man's best friend. The stories behind his images are that animals can appear as humans maybe depending on their owners. Over, I like the Wegman's work because it is very humorous and discussion worth because of how interesting his work is.

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